In June 2022 Sharon Bridgforth and Daniel Alexander Jones held an intimate and searching conversation about the pragmatics of making art and engaging the communitiesliving and ancestralfrom which their work emerges. The two longtime friends reflect on Bridgforthsamp160bulljean ampamp demdey back a collection of two performancenovels written twentytwo years apart about the eponymous bulljean published in Sept 2022 by 53rd State Press. Bridgforth reveals how motherhood spurred her towards understanding her genders and sexuality and how the desire to love heal and live in truth has compelled her writing and her life choices. Bridgforth details the weave between her early work in social justice based in Austin TX where she and Jones met her artmaking and her remarkable commitment to community.amp160Bridgforths writing starts in the marrow of her own healing. As they discuss Bridgforths workas well as the work of suchamp160luminaries as Laurie Carlos Robbie McCauley Ntozake Shange Urban Bush Womenamp160raamp250uacutelrsalinas andamp160Beverly GlennCopelandJones and Bridgforth offer tested strategies for living a grounded artistic life.